Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of cricketers called for throwing in major cricket matches in Australia

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The list was promoted 15:49, 14 April 2008.

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List of cricketers called for throwing in major cricket matches in Australia

This list, which Blnguyen (talk · contribs) and I collaborated on, details those cricketers who have been called for throwing (see Throwing (cricket)) in major cricket matches played in Australia; ie. first-class cricket matches and One-Day Internationals. It is a highly topical and relevant list, free from any biographies of living persons concerns, with clearly-set out criteria for inclusion, is referenced properly, and is in my opinion sufficiently stable for featured list status.

Thanks in advance for any comments; Blnguyen and I will be happy to recieve, act on and/or discuss suggestions for improving this list, and of course (as with any other article) please be bold in making this list better! Cheers, Daniel (talk) 13:12, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• Nice list, very interesting
• The ", from either side." in the Note just before the table is confusing. Does it mean either team, either end of the pitch, or something else?
  • Ah, good point. Clarified, I think. Daniel (talk) 22:50, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
    • Hm.. OK, now I get it, but I don't think it's actually necessary. The reader is able to see which team the thrower is from simply by reading the list. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 00:42, 30 March, 2008
      • I think the idea was to clarify that the player didn't have to be Australia, but merely be playing in Australia. Any suggestions on further improvement along these lines? Daniel (talk) 03:34, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
        • The note seems clearer without it. Also, the article title says "in Australia", not "in Australian matches" or some such. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 13:57, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
          • Removed. Daniel (talk) 09:22, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
• The article title is really long, can anything be done to reduce it?
  • Not really, or else the list title won't clearly define and represent the scope. I guess the "List of" could be ditched, but I don't think it'll make much difference, really. If you or anyone else has any suggestions, feel free to post them here for discussion—Blnguyen and I couldn't think of anything else. Daniel (talk) 22:49, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
• Which reference actually relates to the throwers?
  • The list itself? Number 8, as noted next to "Player". Daniel (talk) 22:49, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
• One more It's not important, but this list lends itself to being sortable. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 00:42, 30 March, 2008
  • Done :) Daniel (talk) 04:51, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

-- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 15:59, 29 March, 2008

Thanks! Cheers, Daniel (talk) 22:49, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Comments - yeah, very interesting concept for a list, not bothered about the size of the name if you can intelligently link it into other articles.

• Avoid bold links in the lead per WP:LEAD#Bold title.
  • Done. Daniel (talk) 22:49, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
• While I know the image is very useful and informative, you should try to comply with image sizes per WP:MOS#Images, this would involve just using thumb.
  • Done, I alwaus forget about that :) Daniel (talk) 22:52, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
• Worth explaining the scope of "major" here because the article you link to suggests it's a "colloquial" term...
  • Is this more sufficently explained in the article itself to remedy your concerns? Daniel (talk) 22:49, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
• Is there a reason for the italics such as no ball in the lead...?
  • I'll leave that one for Blnguyen to justify :) Daniel (talk) 22:54, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
    • I think they're being used as an alternative to scare quotes. Should I swap them over? Daniel (talk) 10:06, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
      • I don't think either scare quotes or italics are needed. I would find a suitable wikilink if possible.... The Rambling Man (talk) 10:26, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
        • Fixed. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 04:51, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
• Worth talking about the analysis of the actions of folks such as Murali (I found this interesting) in the lead?
  • Yep, seems like a good idea. What do you think, a short sentence or two at the end of the last paragraph about how players are sent to testing facilities to check their action, and how it's criticised as it's not a "game environment"? Would require a reference in addition to the one you provided, but I don't think that would be hard. Thoughts appreciated. Cheers, Daniel (talk) 22:54, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
• Not sure I'm keen on the bold in the list. Maybe colour code the cells instead.
  • Changed to blue, the colour may need some tweaking; thoughts (note: I changed the colour again in the later diff, so it isn't as bright; see the current version)? Daniel (talk) 23:04, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
• I'd force the dates to {{nowrap}} - the columns are oddly spaced because "New South Wales, Tasmania, South Australia XIII" - anyway of shortening this?
  • I've changed it to use abbreviations—it's now about the same length as the other entries. Cheers, Daniel (talk) 23:04, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
• Notes and References section can be merged and subsectioned - References as a heading then General and Specific for your References and Notes respectively.
  • Do you have an example of this in another article/list which I could look at? Cheers, Daniel (talk) 09:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Check out this little beauty.... The Rambling Man (talk) 09:26, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
      • Is what I did just now what you were looking for? Daniel (talk) 09:58, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
        • Parfait. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:04, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

That's it... The Rambling Man (talk) 17:49, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for all your input. Cheers, Daniel (talk) 23:09, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

• Support. Tried to copyedit lead, but couldn't find anything. Seems FL ready. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 02:27, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
• Comment Some small points for consideration.
  • I would mention Law 24 specifically in the text and even quote the relevant clause. I know it can be found in the linked article but finding the link isn't intuitive, especially for non-cricket enthusiasts.
  • The lead says nothing about throwing specifically in Australia; i.e. Has it been more of an issue in Australia more than elsewhere for example.
  • The list, to me, seems to show quite clear clumping in the frequency of no-ball calls for throwing, e.g. high frequencies between 1897-1901, 1930-31, 1960-64 and 1995-99. Did these all relate to individual players or was there a general "campaign" against throwing at these times? For example, the Muralitharan, Halcombe and Marsh entries seem to scream out for some context. Perhaps footnotes could be used, such as in List of first-class cricket quadruple centuries Not sure if a list should cover these sorts of issues or not but the list seems to me lacking in context otherwise.
  • Is is possible to show how many times the bowler was called in the match? For example Meckiff was called once and removed from the bowling attack but Murali was called several times by Hair and then moved to the other end.
  • Would a link to a scorecard for each list item be useful?
  • Finally, just for interest sake, is Charles MacGill related to this famous wine connoisseur?

The points above are for consideration only, please don't feel obliged to adopt them if you feel they would not improve the article. To my mind the list meets the FL criteria as it stands. Great work! -- Mattinbgn\^talk 04:26, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

• Support Surprisinginly interesting list, and very well done. As a question, however, the lead mentions that careers have been destroyed over throwing incidents. How, exactly, would this action destroy a player's career? As a person with only a rudimentary understanding of cricket, neither this list, nor the article on Throwing (cricket) really makes this clear. Is it simply because of the potential for a one year suspension if caught throwing illegally twice in two years? Resolute 17:09, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

• Support Very interesting list. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 12:59, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

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